>A few questions after reading this article:

>1. Clearly she was nuts. Who would ever EVER have turned down JFK Jr.
>for sex?
>2. How do you "squash" a VCR?
>3. I am wondering if she flew off the handle on the plane and caused
>him to either get distracted or literally knocked him out.
>4. Was she like this before they mnarried, or did she hide it well? If
>so why did he marry her?

>I feel bad for him. He seems to have been a genuinely nice guy and
>deserved much better.

>Book: JFK Jr.'s wife had drug problem
>Monday, June 30, 2003 Posted: 4:32 PM EDT (2032 GMT)

>A new Kennedy family biography details problems in John F. Kennedy
>Jr.'s marriage.

>LOS ANGELES, California (Reuters) -- By the time they died in a 1999
>plane crash, John F. Kennedy Jr., and his wife, Carolyn Bessette, were
>living a life of separate beds and violence, and Bessette was
>struggling with a drug problem, according to a new book by Kennedy
>family biographer Edward Klein excerpted in Vanity Fair on Monday .

>In "The Kennedy Curse: Why Tragedy Has Haunted America's First Family
>for 150 Years," Klein said that two days before he died, Kennedy, the
>only son of assassinated U.S. President John F. Kennedy, told a friend
>his marriage was deteriorating.

>"It's got to stop. Otherwise we're headed for divorce," Kennedy told
>the friend in a call from the Stanhope Hotel, where Klein said he took
>refuge from his wife's cocaine habit and violent temper.

>"I want to have kids but whenever I raise the subject with Carolyn,
>she turns away and refuses to have sex with me," Kennedy told the
>friend. He had picked out a name, Flynn, for the son he dreamed of
>having, Klein reported.

>Klein quoted Bessette's fashion industry friends as saying it was
>known she was a heavy user of drugs, and that Kennedy caught her
>snorting lines of cocaine with friends at the couple's New York
>apartment. "You're a cokehead," Kennedy screamed at his wife.

>A staff member from Kennedy's political magazine, George, told of a
>dinner in which Bessette made at least a half dozen trips to the
>bathroom, returning to the table with white rings around her nostrils.
>"We went from bar to bar, and she wanted to come over to my apartment,
>but I said no, because I knew it would be an all-nighter," the friend
>said. "I ... dropped her off at 3 a.m."

>The next morning, Kennedy asked why the staffer and his wife were out
>so late. The staff member replied: "A better question is why your wife
>didn't want to go home."

>Cheating heart
>According to friends, Kennedy worried that Carolyn was cheating on him
>with old flame, Michael Bergin, a "Baywatch" actor and former model of
>Calvin Klein underwear. They continued their affair even after
>Bessette had moved in with Kennedy, Klein, a Vanity Fair contributing
>editor as well as Kennedy biographer, said.

>Although Bergin cut off the affair after Bessette's marriage, she
>continued to taunt her husband with Bergin.

>Klein said the actor also revealed Carolyn's violent side in an
>incident in which Bessette got angry after seeing him light an
>ex-girlfriend's cigarette at a bar.

>She showed up at Bergin's door and threw two heavy candles through a
>window and a mirror, shattering both. "Then she knocked my television
>set and VCR onto the floor and jumped on my VCR and squashed it,"
>Bergin told Klein.

>"I ran out of the apartment. I'm very athletic and fast, but she
>caught up with me and started yelling at me and taunting me, calling
>me a baby."

>Kennedy's friends suspected that something similar happened to him
>when he was rushed to an emergency room for an operation to repair a
>severed nerve. Kennedy said the injury was an accident, but he had
>told friends that he felt trapped in an abusive relationship. "Carolyn
>was like a wild horse," the acquaintance from George told Klein. "She
>had a trash mouth. ... She used to call John a fag all the time."

>Public scrutiny drove Bessette into depression, the friend said. She
>refused to leave their apartment and spent long periods crying,
>telling friends that she hated "living in a fishbowl." Klein said
>Carolyn reportedly stormed out of a marital counselor's office when
>her drug use was raised.

>Klein said Bessette's self-absorption made her late for the fatal 1999
>plane ride with her husband and sister, who had arrived at the airport
>in New Jersey while it was still light. The plane, piloted by Kennedy,
>went down in darkness off the coast of Martha's Vineyard near Cape
>Cod, Massachusetts.

>Klein quotes a hair colorist named Colin Lively as saying he saw
>Carolyn order a pedicurist to apply her toenail polish three times
>that day to match a fabric she had brought to the salon. During the
>pedicure, her mobile phone rang over and over, Lively told Klein.

>"What?" she said impatiently into the phone. "I told you I'm getting a
>pedicure."

> > I was just reading this on aol. Seems she is always painted in an
> > unflattering light. If any of it's true I agree that she sounds
> > like she was a manic depressive.

> What is worse--a self-medicating one.  As angry and flippant as John
> Jr. has gotten with the media from time to time, you will never hear
> anyone say a bad word about him.  But Bessette was "approved."  The
> fishbowl excuse for her terrorism wears thin after a while.  I wouldn't
> be surprised if she got into a physical spat that threw the stick
> forward and crashed the plane.

> > > I was just reading this on aol. Seems she is always painted in an
> > > unflattering light. If any of it's true I agree that she sounds
> > > like she was a manic depressive.

> > What is worse--a self-medicating one.  As angry and flippant as John
> > Jr. has gotten with the media from time to time, you will never hear
> > anyone say a bad word about him.  But Bessette was "approved."  The
> > fishbowl excuse for her terrorism wears thin after a while.  I wouldn't
> > be surprised if she got into a physical spat that threw the stick
> > forward and crashed the plane.

> I don't know about that, since the flying conditions were bad, anyway, and
> he was out of  his element. But it's clear she was a hothead, if not a
> cokehead, as well. Remember that fight in the park, she looked positively
> abusive. Some guys really dig that. She always looked like she'd been
> crying, to me. High, high maintenance woman. What the hell did she do all
> day long, anyway? Just pedicures and manicures and hair bleaching? She
> really was attractive when she had more weight on, and had thick
> brown/highlighted hair. Her hair was so full and wavy before, I can't figure
> out how she got it so sleek and straight in later years.  It looked as if
> she'd thinned it out. Or it fell out on its own from all the bleach. I never
> cared for her, something just wasn't right, there.

>>>>>Maybe she hid it? Before they were married, she looked VERY different
>-- long, wavy brown hair, a more curvaceous figure, full eyebrows, she
>smiled and she wore jeans. Afterward, she became a grimacing, plucked
>(facially) bald, almost platinum blonde stick in designer outfits.<<<

>I have mixed feelings.  I'm sure she was no saint.  But I also think JFK's male
>friends were jealous, jealous, jealous, jealous, jealous (of CB).  Bunch of
>bitches.  

>Second, I number only one coke user among my acquaintances/friends (that I know
>of).  She (my friend) of course, has other acquaintances/friends who use coke.
>In no case, as far as I understand, no matter how hard they are partying, do
>they go to the bathroom and use the coke, then return w/their nostrils ringed
>with the stuff. Wishful, disparaging thinking, IMO.  Someone may be out of
>their minds, but I just have trouble believing her coming back from the can
>with outlines around her nostrils.  In the gutter, that's hard to find, let
>alone in someone's loft.

>I think a lot of JFK's guy friends flattered themselves that they had influence
>in his life, and their lives were thus rendered significant (go figure, but I
>know some of them thought that way) and when he fell in love and semi left the
>tribe, they got pissy and blamed the chick.

>I do think she butchered her appearance for awhile after the wedding.  For the
>years they dated, all around NY she'd be in long, wavy light brown hair
>w/blonde streaks, very striking, very athletic, not prissy looking.  Then for
>awhile, post-matrimony, she went platinum with almost bald eyebrows.  But in
>the last eight months or so of her life she seemed to be relaxing a lot of
>that.  

>> 1. Clearly she was nuts. Who would ever EVER have turned down JFK Jr.
>> for sex?
>>"Carolyn
>> was like a wild horse," the acquaintance from George told Klein. "She
>> had a trash mouth. ... She used to call John a fag all the time."

> On a TV documentary I saw, a long-time family friend was interviewed.
> He said that JFK Jr.'s relationship with Daryl was very tempestuous,
> that the two of them didn't bring out the best in each other when they
> were together.

> I suspect JFK Jr. was drawn to strong-willed women (similar to his
> mother Jackie), and that emotionally he was just as volatile as Daryl
> and Carolyn Bessette.

> Most likely Carolyn was reasonably well-adjusted while she and John
> were dating: She was an attractive woman with a great job working for
> Calvin Klein, and she was only partially in the public spotlight. But
> after the wedding, all that changed. That may have triggered her
> depression and (increased?) drug use.

> It's too bad when a book like this comes out and, truthfully or not,
> tarnishes her image because, unfortunately, she can't defend herself
> against the allegations. It must be very painful and frustrating for
> her family.

>>>I do feel sorry for him. Wish he had married Daryl, who really did
>>>love him.

>>On a TV documentary I saw, a long-time family friend was interviewed.
>>He said that JFK Jr.'s relationship with Daryl was very tempestuous,
>>that the two of them didn't bring out the best in each other when they
>>were together.

>>I suspect JFK Jr. was drawn to strong-willed women (similar to his
>>mother Jackie), and that emotionally he was just as volatile as Daryl
>>and Carolyn Bessette.

>>Most likely Carolyn was reasonably well-adjusted while she and John
>>were dating: She was an attractive woman with a great job working for
>>Calvin Klein, and she was only partially in the public spotlight. But
>>after the wedding, all that changed. That may have triggered her
>>depression and (increased?) drug use.

>>It's too bad when a book like this comes out and, truthfully or not,
>>tarnishes her image because, unfortunately, she can't defend herself
>>against the allegations. It must be very painful and frustrating for
>>her family.

>I think this is the first time I've seen anyone mention *HER* family.  Thank
>you.  Sheesh, everyone goes on and on about a Kennedy dying.  On that day
>the Bessette family lost 2 loved ones for goodness sake, but no one seems to
>care about that.

>I also agree, whether she was those things or not, writing a book about it,
>making money off of it, when she's dead and can't defend herself, seems
>wrong IMO.

>> In no case, as far as I understand, no matter how hard they are partying, do
>> they go to the bathroom and use the coke, then return w/their nostrils ringed
>> with the stuff. Wishful, disparaging thinking, IMO.  Someone may be out of
>> their minds, but I just have trouble believing her coming back from the can
>> with outlines around her nostrils.  In the gutter, that's hard to find, let
>> alone in someone's loft.

> This is actually hilariously believable.  Back in the good old early
> 80s I was at the wedding of my dear friends.  At one point a group of
> people came out of the rest room area (men and women) including the
> bride and groom and some of them had cute little white powder smudges
> under their noses.  We had to tell them to wipe it off before their
> parents saw it (although they probably would have thought they had
> been scarfing down powdered doughnuts). By this point people had been
> drinking and dancing for quite a while and I'm sure they got their
> rest room refreshments in a hurry and weren't even paying attention to
> what they looked like.  And this was no "gutter" wedding. So you never
> know. You know the older I get ( and I am getting up there but don't
> mean to pull age rank here ) I have learned to never ever discount
> anything anymore as impossible. Anything and everything is possible.

> On CBK as a gold digging abusive self indulgent ne'er do well - is
> anyone really surprised by this. Caroline should have sued HER mother
> for producing such a succubus who clearly intentionally inflicted
> emotional distress on John.  She was giving those vibes off for a long
> time.  Her history just screams this to me.  Please don't blame it on
> manic depression - I have plenty of manic depressive friends who are
> NICE and don't become sadistic bitches from pedicure hell when they
> hit a rough spot.  She was what she was.  Poor John he seemed to be a
> decent and nice person but men can be so pathetic in choosing a first
> wife. And, yes, I really do believe she or their arguing had something
> to do with the crash.  Does anyone believe they were having a peaceful
> and cheerful chat during that flight?  (Doesn't excuse his lack of
> judgment in flying that night)

>"Charli" <ramblingn...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:9425e3eb.0307011441.5f435f1c@posting.google.com...
>> > I do feel sorry for him. Wish he had married Daryl, who really did
>> > love him.

>> On a TV documentary I saw, a long-time family friend was interviewed.
>> He said that JFK Jr.'s relationship with Daryl was very tempestuous,
>> that the two of them didn't bring out the best in each other when they
>> were together.

>> I suspect JFK Jr. was drawn to strong-willed women (similar to his
>> mother Jackie), and that emotionally he was just as volatile as Daryl
>> and Carolyn Bessette.

>> Most likely Carolyn was reasonably well-adjusted while she and John
>> were dating: She was an attractive woman with a great job working for
>> Calvin Klein, and she was only partially in the public spotlight. But
>> after the wedding, all that changed. That may have triggered her
>> depression and (increased?) drug use.

>> It's too bad when a book like this comes out and, truthfully or not,
>> tarnishes her image because, unfortunately, she can't defend herself
>> against the allegations. It must be very painful and frustrating for
>> her family.

>I think this is the first time I've seen anyone mention *HER* family.  Thank
>you.  Sheesh, everyone goes on and on about a Kennedy dying.  On that day
>the Bessette family lost 2 loved ones for goodness sake, but no one seems to
>care about that.

> A few questions after reading this article:

> 1. Clearly she was nuts. Who would ever EVER have turned down JFK Jr.
> for sex?
> 2. How do you "squash" a VCR?
> 3. I am wondering if she flew off the handle on the plane and caused
> him to either get distracted or literally knocked him out.
> 4. Was she like this before they mnarried, or did she hide it well? If
> so why did he marry her?

> I feel bad for him. He seems to have been a genuinely nice guy and
> deserved much better.

> > A few questions after reading this article:

> > 1. Clearly she was nuts. Who would ever EVER have turned down JFK Jr.
> > for sex?
> > 2. How do you "squash" a VCR?
> > 3. I am wondering if she flew off the handle on the plane and caused
> > him to either get distracted or literally knocked him out.
> > 4. Was she like this before they mnarried, or did she hide it well? If
> > so why did he marry her?

> > I feel bad for him. He seems to have been a genuinely nice guy and
> > deserved much better.

> Somehow, death has a way of bailing out the family of JFK, so that they're not
> around to witness their disgrace or embarrassment.

> JFK's assassination saved him big time both from the disgrace and ignominy of the
> Vietnam War - had he lived, he almost certainly would have sent US troops there -

> Jackie Onassis benefited from death - her second husband Aristotle's death pre-
> empted an inevitable divorce, and left her with the more honorable status of
> "widow" once again.  Her own death many years later saved her from the anguish
> and disappointment of watching a son she raised with great care die so
> carelessly.

> And now JFK Jr. - his own death forever ended any chance of him screwing up like
> his other cousins.  Again, like his mother, his own death - and death of his wife
> - saved him from enduring shame and embarrassment for the wretched marriage that
> would have unravelled so publicly and horribly.  

> Far from being a "Kennedy curse," death has been a blessing for the family of
> JFK.